Respond to each of the following points:
· the challenges of being a learner at your age
· the joys of being a learner at your age
· your hopes for the next decade as a learner
· your advice for people who are entering your decade as a learner.
113 comments:
The challenge of being a learner at my age is handling the stress of new beginnings, starting a family, a career, and a life full of responsibilities.
The joys of being a learner at my age is that most of the technology and strategies discussed are familiar. Also, it is pleasing to know that I will have years to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
During the next decade I hope to be on the upside of this learning thing. I hope to have accomplished my educational goals and be done with school. I hope to be learning through experiences.
Anyone entering my decade as a learner should be thankful to the learners who came before us. We must work hard to complete what could possibly be one of the toughest challenges of our lives.
Sha:
Hello, I empathize with you!
I think balancing daily commitments is something that is common among all age groups. I don't care if you are 26 or 56, balancing school; work, and family is hard regardless of your age. I guess maybe you younger folk might have a bit more energy than the ones of us in the 40+ range. (ha ha)
One of the biggest challenges I have faced is being treated differently… infantilized. I have been in many situations where my ideas/suggestions/input was over looked due to my age, where I was spoken down to and been privy to comments such as: “that’s cute honey” and “the kids your age”. Learners in my age group often have very drastic differences in experiences/education. More often than not learners below the age of thirty are lumped into a category of being immature, naïve and irresponsible. In the past I have found it very frustrating to be labeled by professors and peers alike just by the way I look. Little do many know: I have been gainfully employed for fourteen years, I am celebrating my ten year anniversary with my current employer (who has given me the opportunity to advance three times), I have been married and divorced, I have lived in four different states and another country, I bought a house and remodeled it (myself), I own /run a small part time business and have been doing so for five years, I am an avid fly fisherman, hunter, and snowboarder…. but alas, despite a slew of experiences and prior education a learner under thirty is to many: “just a kid” and dealing with that stereotype has been my biggest challenge (no worries I’ll be thirty very soon… ha!).
One of the joys to being a learner at my age is the advancements in technology. Ten years it was not common place to be able to obtain an accredited degree online. The community college I started at eight years ago offered no online classes. I am ecstatic that technology has progressed to a point where I can continue to pursue my education in an online environment.
My hope for the next decade is that education will continue to progress, grow and meet the ever changing needs of the adult population and despite our current economic situation adult education will not fall between the cracks.
My advice for people who are entering this decade as a learner is to spend a solid amount of time researching what degree/degrees will provide what job/career. I would encourage people to ask themselves: if I get this degree what job can I get? What is the annual starting salary? Will I have to move, and if so where?
To Mary -
I think you are an exception to the rule. Not that people in their 20's can't have great ideas and be contributors to many things. But, I think for the most part, people in their 20's have a totally different mindset. That is not a bad thing. I would not trade my experiences or mistakes in my 20's. They have made me who I am today. And, there are always going to be those who think you can't have anything good to say because you are young, a woman, from a particular region, whatever the case. Fact remains, you know that it isn't true. I think that is the difference between people in their 20's and people in their 40's - I stopped caring about whether people thought I could do something. I just do it if I can.
I am personally impressed by your accomplishments in your short description of your adult life. Sometimes, it is enough to know that you have tested the limts and been successful.
I agree with your comments on how we tend to generalize people based on our perceptions,and tend to lump them into particular schema that conforms to our beliefs. We do this in order to make better sense of things, but as with generalizations, this is often wrong. I feel sorry that stereotypes and biases are keeping you from getting the respect you deserve.
Sha,
It never really occurred to me that someone in the 20-29 age group would be starting all the "adult" stuff that life is made of. Of course, I understand it, I did it too, but until I read your post, I realized that your challenges are different from mine. There is a big difference between beginning your family, and career versus having children who are "on their way" and being established in a career.
While I believe that we all have our challenges regardless of our age, you may find that your challenges will be different 20 from now.
A word of caution though...I thought when I finished my Master's I would be "done". It seems to me that educators have this insatiable desire for knowledge and if you are like many of us, you will never be "done"!
Excellent post, thank you for giving me a different perspective and of reminding me of the challenges faced by 20-29 year olds!
Claire (40-49 group
Hi Mary,
Wow! What an accomplishment that you have obtained Mary; and I am proud to hear your accomplishment. I think that many of us have been faced with the same situation that you have spoken about at one point in our life. I am not saying that this is right; I am saying because I feel you; and the bias that you have spoken of that has come my way more time than I care to remember. I try not to become the things I hate. You advice to those entering this decade as a leaner is very sound.
Keep it moving Mary.
Patricia (40-49 group)
The challenges of being a learner in the late 20's and early 30's is the added responsibility. Work takes up the majority of the day, then add in a wife, a baby daughter, and a dog. While spending time with the family, assisting with dinner, walking the dog, going on a bike ride, something around the house usually needs attention. For instance, this week the ceiling in the bedroom needed to be primed, and painted with two coats. I attempted to do this in between some homework while the baby was sleeping. Also, time is made for family and friends. We try to double up on that by adding in a meal. It allows time for dinner and socializing without feeling the pressure.
The joys of being a learner at this stage of my life is the enjoyment of understanding and researching concepts that help me in every day life, along with life-long learning skills. The theories of learning gives me an appreciation of the different learning styles I have witnessed throughout my life. Not only in a classroom, but as a water polo and swimmer. I have had many teachers and coaches all with different teaching styles. I now have a better understanding of the different personalities of the players on the team. As a younger player, I have labeled other players as "jerks" or "idiots" because they did not try their best or listen to the coach's instructions on drills or game play. With education, and a better understanding of learning, the player was not an auditory learner. He probably had difficulty understanding a drill that was only verbally directed, instead of visually being demonstrated with a drawing or broken down into progressive steps.
My hopes as a learner during the next decade would include becoming a better educator and facilitator of learning. Whether it is in the field of education or as an administrator, I would like to have a better understanding of people and the dynamics of groups. I would like to understand the power of motivation and be able to guide students to be the best they can be. Learning about social and emotional intelligences encourages me to understand how I affect others and to improve in this area.
Advice that I would give to students is to find a passion. Do something they enjoy doing and educate yourself through all possible means. Taking classes, research on the internet, job shadowing, volunteering, whatever it takes to have personal growth. It is also very important to give back to your community. Give service to your private and public life. Do not expect things in return, do things for others because it is the right thing to do. Be a good time manager. Organize your personal and professional life and make sure there is a balance. Know that there will be stressful times and learn how to manage the hard times. Learn from the hard times, make sure to enjoy the easier days and not to let them pass by without recognizing them. Be good to the people closest to you and not take them for grant it. Recognize the people who make you a better person and let them know. Try not to give more attention to negative people or people who do not have your best interests at heart.
First I want to respond to Mary (I wish these blogs weren't so linear). Mary, as a 55 year old woman, I empathize with you on several levels. For one, in my salad days (sorry, but I could not help that literary reference to Julius Caesar by Shakespeare) I felt much like you. I always looked younger than my age (still do), so people treated me at 20 as if I were 16, at 25 as if I were 20, etc.
You are correct, they sometimes assumed I was naive and dismissed my ideas. However, at 55 I have run into this as well and now realize that some of it is due to gender discrimination (not to dismiss discrimination due to youth!). Even in 2009, our society can be annoyingly sexist. I grew up tough, a tomboy among brothers and mainly male playmates, so I just didn't see this as clearly as I do now.
Now as a middle-aged woman, who is no longer a sex object, I have found that, sorry to say, many men are either shockingly dismissive or nasty to me. Anyway, I just want to let you know that your experiences may be complex, a combination of ageism as well as sexism.
Good luck to you.
I want to acknowledge Sha Spain's joy of her confidence with technology. I have observed such confidence in the "digital natives" of my students as well as in my own sons. Anyway, I salute your technological competence and thank you for your post.
The challenges of being a learner at your age
One word - infancy. As Mary stated in her post, the younger you are in the workforce, the less likely you are to be taken seriously from the get-go. You must work at least 10 times harder than your coworkers in order to establish a good reputation and name for yourself that shows you are someone with good ideas and that your employer/coworkers can count on. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, let me clue you in to a challenge I've had for the past 5 years that I have been teaching...The first time I walked into a classroom (at the tender age of 24) you could see, clearly, on the face of every student a look that said "surely she is NOT the teacher". Establishing my authority as the professor has taken some getting used to on my part - and has required some creative thinking as well. While it may be embarassing at any age (I would think) to be unsure of an answer to a student's question during a lecture, as someone the same age as (or often times younger than) the students, it is not only embarrassing but also opens you up to a flood of students who now feel they have the right to 'challenge you' and make you look like a blubbering idiot for the remainder of the semester.
• The joys of being a learner at your age
I would have to say that the joy of being a learner now is that I've welcomed a more mature attitude towards learning that enables me to glean more information from a course, as well as I have the technology skills to not be afraid of certain assignments or challenges that those with less technology experience have.
• Your hopes for the next decade as a learner
In the next decade I plan to continue to evolve as a learner, inviting every opportunity to allow myself to learn something new in life. I am expecting my first child in late July, and know that I have a wealth of new things to learn in regards to raising a child, but with the perspective of a fluidity of knowledge, I know that I will be more willing to open myself up to the unknown in order to learn those new things.
• Your advice for people who are entering your decade as a learner.
Be open to change, and don't be afraid to speak up whether it be in class or at work. You have good ideas and a wealth of experiences to draw from. Often, I have noticed that my ideas are met with open arms because my older coworkers feel that the idea is new and exciting - be that young breath of fresh air that everyone needs once in a while - you never know where it will take you!
Hi Mary,
I read your post with interest. I can certainly appreciate you feeling that you are treated differently. I am 43, much past my 20's but I can imagine that folks who make comments to you don't help you feel better. You should astound them by sharing that you are working on a doctorate in your 20's and maybe they will think twice.
Your accomplishments are many and you should be proud of them, no matter what anyone else says. Keep doing as you are doing and one day folks will stand up and notice.
Lisa Minor
The challenge of being a learner at the ages of 20-29, is the ability of balancing your everyday life around school, which can sometimes be a life of its own. At this age one may be thinking of starting a family and starting life in general. Learning to balance your job, family, friends and school can sometimes leave one of these issues neglected, and many times it becomes your family and your social life. Also learning to balance the negativity of people who may be older than you having to now listen to you because you have received higher education can also be a challenge that is faced. I have already heard the little comments I'm not calling her Dr. Cutler when she finishes. Now WOW isn't that something to hear around the teachers' lounge (smile). I am 25 years old and the Department Chair for my grade level. I have accomplishments that I could list, but simply because of being a younger learner, people tend to treat you as you do not know anything or that your ideas are not valid. Learning to deal with this issue can help you manage the stress levels in your life.
The joys of being a learner at this age is the drive and energy one has to put forth into a higher education degree. Sometimes when you are young you have a little more energy and determination to finish and gain more knowledge. Learners my age are also familiar with technological advancements that are being used in both traditional and online classes.
It is my hope that although I will be completing my formal education by receiving my Doctorate degree that I do not stop learning. It is my hope that I will be able to use my knowledge to help others. I hope that what I learn can be passed on to other learners so that learning will be a continuous cycle.
My advice for people who may be entering learning at the age of 20-29....Stay FOCUSED!! At this age you will have a lot of distractions like starting a family, raising a family, making your job become your career, advancing in your career, marriage, or even buying a home. These distractions while they may be good can many times steer focus away from completing assignments properly or even truly utilizing the learning experiences that will be sent your way. I also suggest that no matter what people say about you being too young to complete a degree, do it anyways. Try to cultivate relationship with your classmates as this can be a wonderful resource both professionally and personally.
To: Mary Van Hanegan
It is funny because either you're too young to have a valid idea because you are still immature and "wet behind the ears", or you are too old and you don't have any good ideas left. So am I suppose to assume there is a perfect age to be a learner?....I don't think so! We come in many different ages and without every viewpoint of learning, our experiences would not be as rich as they could be.
So as a young learners we must stay motivated to learn, because people will always talk!
By the way I get those looks, like "who does she think she is telling me what to do." It's amazing how immaturity is not an age, but rather a state of mind that people from 0-100 possess!
(20-29 Group)
Mary,
Wow, you've got quite the set of experiences. I salute you.
I'm one of the 50+ set and I remember hearing the "kids your age" comments when I was your age. For the most part, I ignored them. I made my share of mistakes in my 20's and I've embraced them; they made me who I am today.
To those who tell you "you're too young", just smile enigmatically. Might make some of them think.
M
Response to Mary Van Haneghan
I really connected with your comments on being "infantized" as a person in your twenties. My boss often treated me more like a daughter than a colleague or educator. It was very frustrating and disheartening to have worked so hard to get my education only to be treated like a minor child. I really identified with you on this.
Hi Sha,
I would like for you to keep your attitude of "the learners who came before us" Iam one of those adult learner. Keep your positive attitude toward adult learner. Your attitude will cause you to maintain strength, motivation, determination, consistency as well as communication of the goals you want to achieve and accomplishment. These are skills which will cause you to overpower barriers in you education journey!
Thank you for the respect!
From: Shaneisha D.
The challenges assoicated with being a learner at my age is juggling work and school. Overall, just being able to multi-task.
The joys are being able to explore the unknown due to the advancement in technology.
The hopes for the next decade learner is to have more ways for them to be able to learn.
My advice is to don't give up. Sometimes you will have road blocks come up in life, just drive around them. Always remember there is more than one way to reach a goal.
From: Shaneisha D.
response to Mary Van
I am going through the same thing as this moment. My boss sees me as a child. He thinks that some of my ideals are great, but I don't have enough experience in life due to my age.
Response to Mary Van Haneghan
Hi Mary
May I say that you are an impressive 20 something! I read your posting and I can relate to your point about
"infantilizing" your age group. However, as a teacher in a post-secondary school with students primarily of that age group may I suggest that there is quite a few (particularly in the 20-25 bracket) that need infantilized or as I like to say "wiped".
For instance, I have a number of 20 somethings that do not come to class and after they fail a test, come to me and say, "You owe me this grade...I pay your salary!"
Then, there is a group of "kids" (as you would say) that are students in our school (it is a professional school that helps student to earn their degrees in funeral service education, counseling, and business)
who come from family run businesses. I have practiced for almost 30 years in this profession. However, these students feel the need to tell me, "my dad told me to just bide my time at school and then get out and he will show me the right way to do things!!
Finally, I have the students from that age group who constantly use the "my dog ate my homework excuse" (I think you know what I mean there...)
Hence, from my perspective this type of infantile behavior requires "infantilizaition". I want you to know that I really try to create an open engaging classroom in which I am NOT a "sage on the stage;" rather I try to be the most humble person in the room. Yet, give a kid an inch and he takes a mile...
As I said, you are remarkable in all of your accomplishments as such a young age, but my question to you is help me to understand what I should do when I don't have a class of "Mary Van Haneghan's"?
PS...I am in the forty something group so I often say I would love to go back and live through the twenties again but with the wisdom I have now! Wow...did I make some mistakes!!!! However, I see some of my issues in the classroom today as a lack of respect. Although I made mistakes in my twenties, lack of respect was not one of my problems.
Response to Mary,
At forty years old, I can remember when I was the youngest in the office. I remember the comments and criticisms of my "elder" collegues. I would just like to leave you with this. Remember, your day will come.
In fact, it was only a couple of weeks ago when I was interviewing a young lady for a leadership position within our organization that I heard myself say these words, "She seemed nice, but I think she is a little young to make the leadership impact that I am looking for". Yes, I know its shameful, but I wanted to share the truth.
The hard truth is quite simply, I did not want someone ten years my junior in a position equal to mine. I took it as personal indictment. My thoughts were if this person is this far along in her career now. What does that say about me? Although I know it was wrong, it was how I felt.
I am pleased to say that I did do the right thing, but I hesitated primarily because of age. Of course, I didn't consider it age discrimination (You know according to EEOC, you can not be a victim of age discrimination unless you are 40 years old or older) I determined that based on the applicant's age, she could not have enough life or job experience to effective in the position. I am glad that I was wrong on both accounts. Keep up the pace, I am sure that I will see your name again.
Dear all:
To begin: I am from the 50-59 group (chronologically)although I think I still have some growing up to do.
Just yesterday, I was called "sweety" and "honey" by a waitress who was probably in her early 20's. So that road runs both ways. Patronizing, under any circumstances is just inexcusable. But there will always be those people in our place of work and play. Sometimes you just got to deal. Sometimes not - go with the gut feeling.
I have read your entries with great interest and am so grateful that the future is in good hands. I am one of the many my age that have some "lost" years and I think they were lost about when I was your age. I have no problem telling you that I am very glad they are lost. I am sure I would be traumatized for life if I could remember them.
I mentioned in my initial post (in the 50-59 age) that I could not have obtained my advanced degrees any sooner - I just wasn't ready. You are doing the right thing - going for the brass ring now, not waiting, and I admire all of you for that (and that is NOT patronization - that is the truth).
It does get better because what you are doing is worth it. You all are an inspiration to those younger than you and a bright spot for we teachers who teach students your age who say "so what can you do for me today".
It has been a joy and pleasure to read your postings. I am glad to be studying with you.
Respectfully submitted,
Maria
To Shafonda,
Great advice! I think that it is so important for learners to recognize those who came before us, in order for us to know where we are going. We must use them as resources, instead of having an "us vs.them" mentality. Those before us will benefit from the relationship as well.
Janelle (from the 30-39 age group)
Response to Sha Spain
I embraced the experiences of my twenties although very accomplished and experienced for most adults in my age group at the time I instinctively realized that I could would and did get more traction out of acknowledging the fact that experiences of others in the work place, everyday life, and ordinary circumstances helped to develop, guide, and confirm the directions or options in life that I ultimately chose or led to follow.
This was a great period in life to utilize mentors. I had my share of frustrations and detractors and just as many persons willing to provide me aid.
Elizabeth
For Mary Van Hangehen,
I enjoyed reading your post on the biggest challenges you face as an adult learner 20-29 years of age.
First, I would like to congratulate you on your personal accomplishments and achievements. As an Instructor at a small university in Florida, I can truly say young adult learners like you are rare. Now, by no means do I condone the treatment you have received. No one should be treated the way you have been treated. This is an excellent example as to why it is so important for teachers to build (personal/professional) relationships and know their learners. Unfortunately, in the real world, people are judged by their looks and stereotyped long before they have the opportunity to show anyone who they really are. My University is a Historically Black University; our black males face problems of stereotyping every day.
However, in my experiences the majority of young adult learners often seem to have a difficult time committing to higher education for whatever the reason are. It appears as though some young adult learners have a tendency to take the commitment lightly.
Lawana
Sha,
Good luck to you. You have very good plans that you have laid out for yourself. What strategies, attitudes, etc...would you use if life presented things to you that you that is not part of your plans?
From 40+,
The challenges is not to believe that everything is difficult,just because the majority believe it, and just take things as they come, trail and error, reorganize and plan,the joy of being a learner is that everything that I learn, I desire to share it with others and hope that we all benefit for a greater good, the next decade would allow me to be a professor and continue my passion-teaching and advice...try to love your your life and all that is entails and joy will be present in all your affairs...and when it is not so good, you will still see the lessons and blessings1
For Sha Spain,
I commend you on making the choice to pursue your higher educational goals at this point in your life. As a young adult, most are still find themselves and defining relationships according to Erikson. There are so many advantages of taking on such a huge endeavor and commitment at your age. You definitively have the advantage of technology use on your side compared to some of us in our 40’s.
Lawana
Reply to Sha Spain
Age 30-39 Group
I agree with you Sha. One challenge of being an adult learner is the stress of starting a family and career. In my age group it's the same except the starting part. In my age group all the comments surrounded around balance. Balance between having a family and a career. My advice to any age group is to balance work, family, and career and STAY FOCUS! Keep your eye on the prize.
To Everyone 20 to 29
It was interesting to read your Blogs and perspectives concerning the age group 20 to 29. I am in the age group 50 to 59, and believe it or not I have similar thoughts on the same topics you commented on.
One colleague noted that when he started to teach at 24 years young, his students were commenting on what he knows and who is he. At the age of 53, my students are saying, “boy is he old, he is older than my dad”. However, that is fine, with age comes patience and understanding. With age comes experience and most of my students realize that strength.
With all of this said, please continue to follow your inspirations and don’t wait 20 years as I did to pursue my love of learning.
Danny, You had some interesting things to say about life and trying to balance everything at the beginning of new life phases. Trying to balance home maintenance with all of your other responsibilities must be intense. Keep plugging away as I'm certain from the glimpse you gave us of how you handle things, that you will continue to find success in life.
Inez,
I enjoyed reading your post. I'm in the 40-49 crowd, but it seems like just yesterday that I was very much like you describe: in my 20s, making a mark on my career, and moving forward to new challenges. I think that the energy of your age group makes you the envy of all others. I also think that your comfort with new ideas in technology can make you a very valued member of the education team.
Do not (nor let others)underestimate what you can give to the team. Exuding confidence goes a long way in establishing yourself with others.
At my age range, 50-59 I find that I do not dwell on the external motivators but concentrate on the internal motivators. What I have read thus far in the age ranges speaks to the delineation addressed by Levinson.
Tim Boone
Response to Mary.
Mary,
Your advice to people entering your age group is wise, so don't let people hammer your for being 29! I recently told a 20 year old friend of mine who is majoring in kinesiology (like I did) to make sure he thinks things through before he gets too far along in his program. Like you mentioned, what are the jobs, opportunities for advancement, and salaries for people in this field? Is this something that he really has a passion for, or is it something easy to get out of college as fast as possible? Great job! Oh, and great job with your house! I think my body doesn't have the gene for being tool friendly, so I am a little jealous!
Joel Rogers
Response to Inez.
Inez,
In all honesty, I admire people like you! Even though you are younger than I am (I'm 35), you have a sense of maturity that is evident. You are dedicated, focused, and your grade level is blessed to have you as its chair! Looking back on my 20's, I wish someone would have given me the advice that you just gave. Stay focused! Life is full of distractions for everyone, but especially for people in their 20's. Great job!
Joel
Hi, Mary,
I can relate to so much of what you wrote. Although I am 34, I look much younger than my age and am treated as such both inside and outside of the classroom (just follow me to the grocery store to buy a bottle of wine-- not only is the normal response to see my id, the cashier often looks at me as if I am lying). It is very difficult to work alongside other faculty members who are my parents' age (54) when they make assumptions about idea quality based on appearance (of course, before they even hear the idea). On the other hand, it has been a very pleasant experience to work with colleagues who get a kick out of our age difference; it opens up doors for unbelievable collaboration and very satisfying coworker relationships!
Mary Courtwright
Resopnse to Inez:
I am from the 50-59 age group. We share many of the same problems, namely balancing time. I remember my 20s and social activities were very important to me at that point. In fact, I quit school because partying was more important. As I aged, I discovered that I was not prioritizing things correctly. It sounds to me like you have a pretty good handle on what is and is not importans. Sit back and enjoy the ride. It gets better, and so do you.
Kate's response.
Challenges:
I am twenty-six years old. I have faced many challenges as a learner. I am typically younger than individuals in my classes and at work. In the work arena, I sometimes find the other directors have a bit of an attitude when we are sharing ideas. We are from completely different generations. Sometimes, we are not willing to learn others perspectives. Or, we do after much resistence. I think there is much to learn from those who are older and have the experience behind them.
Another challenge I experience is teaching style. I come from a generation were everything has to be technologically advanced, or bright and shiny to hold my attention. My generation has been raised with so many gadgets and technologies, that it is often hard to focus at regular lectures.
Joys:
I have experienced many joys in learning. I think there is joy at any age in learning. Right now, I have small children. I have learned how to balance work and school with a family while my children are very young. I think this takes a certain kind of thinking. Life will differ when our children are grown, or we are finished with school.
One of the greatest joys I have right now is learning things which are completely applicable to my job. I like being able to apply my education to my profession.·
Hopes:
I have many hopes for the next decade. I hope to finish my degree within the next decade. I really prefer to finish it within the next three years! Then, I hope to integrate my new degree with my old degrees and work experience and move up in the world of academic administration.
I hope to gain additional management and leadership skills.
Advice:
The best advise I can offer is diligence. Getting through a doctoral program can be frustrating and is certainly time consuming. It is important to remember we get out of it what we put into it. Sometimes chosing to reread an unclear chapter over getting an extra hour of sleep is a hard decision. In the end, it will all be worth it.
My other piece of advise is just don't quit. I see students pledge to complete college, hit a rough stop and drop out, and are never seen again. Life is going to continue to roll by, so I opt to use every spare moment to improve my life.
Mary V H,
I liked your comments. You sound very determined and no nonsense. I understand what you mean about people not taking you seriously at times. I experience the same things even still. Unfortunately I do believe much of it is because you are a woman. If you were a tall man people would automatically give you respect. I'm a short woman and I often feel, especially from certain events lately, that it does not matter what I say it's the fact that I (short female) am the one saying it. I accomplished more than most before 30, men and women. You sound determined and strong willed. Be strong! Stay on your course and do what you want, how you want to. (I also fish and it's great).
Dolly
S. Dodson
I remember a time in my life when others viewed my age as a disadvantage of mine. I had to work twice as hard to prove myself or just to get my managers to understand my frame of thoughts. Your intelligence exist in your pursuit to change the mind frame of your employer by not buying in to their outdated assumptions.
Robyn and Sha,
Kudos to both of you for having it together enough to already be at this point in your education and professional careers. When I was in the 20's, the thought of a Masters or Doctoral degree were not even thought of. I would probably have laughed at the prospect. Iwas too busy doing "fun things" and advancing my education was NOT a part of that plan.
Robyn, I hope that you will stopped getting treated like a kid and recognized for the maturity and accomplishment you have earned. I wish you all the best as the new baby comes. It will change your life forever!! Having kids is a truly amazing experience and LOADED with more responsibility than I could even describe. The great thing though is that no matter how tough it gets with school, work or other stuff....you can always go home and snuggle up with a child and they have a way to melt all the problems away...
GJ
The challenges of being a learner at my age:
In my life, (educationally, physically, mentally, and emotionally) I love to test myself. I welcome both success and failure, because I know I will learn and gain strength from them both. Right now as a doctoral student it tests every aspect of my life; my scholarly writing skills are below average, it takes me a significant amount of time to read, comprehend, and make use of all the assigned books, journals, and articles, it is a relentless struggle to manage time, and I am over matched, under experienced, unproven, and out of my league. But, I haven’t heard any bell or stout lady yet being rung or tuning up, so I know and believe that I am still in the game and I have a shot. Even though it will be a challenge and I may be an underdog, I will offer no excuses, just allow myself to get up and go after it with an open mind, clear eyes, and a full heart.
The joys of being a learner at my age:
The significant impact I can have on a student in a positive and meaningful way, brings me great joy and comfort as a learner. What and how I learn through my doctoral journey can truly help and assist me on leading students both in and out of the classroom. I honestly feel privileged and blessed with the opportunity to learn, grow, and develop my educational and professional skills to enhance the educational experience of students in my classroom. I smile and laugh so much everyday, either at home, in my office, or in the classroom, because I know the difference I can make with students, the pathways I guide them towards, the high quality ethical decisions I can encourage them to make, and the truth, righteousness, peace, equality, harmonious joy, and love I can lead them to fight for and never give up on.
The hope I have for the next decade as a learner:
I hope that I continually learn, grow, develop, and understand new found ways and methods to form a “holistic” approach to teaching, mentoring, guiding, advising, coaching, and instructing students. I will strive, work diligently, and fight for my hopes, dreams, beliefs, values, and principles until the end.
My advice for people who are entering my decade as a learner:
Stay focused, be determined, establish and fight to attain your goals, reach high, keep their heads up and your eyes forward, believe in yourself, stand by your morals, and never say, “I quit,” because hard work does pay off, a good deed never goes unnoticed and dreams do come true. Get Up and Get After It!
The challenges of being a learner at my age (26) are that I tend to want the learning experience to engage all the senses while embracing the latest technology. In my generation, we tend to be technologically savvy and have very little difficulty utilizing technology in the learning process. As mentioned in previous postings, those in my generation often find that our opinions and ideas are overlooked because of our age or perceived lack of experience.
The joys of being a learner at my age is that learning tends to be a bit more manageable in that I have not had a major break or an extended period out of the educational environment than someone who is older and may have been out of school for a few years. Learning opportunities also tend to be readily available, thanks to the World Wide Web and advancements in technology.
In the next decade of learning, I am looking forward to the trends that will shape the educational environment. I am expecting to maintain a high level of eagerness to the learning process while maintaining a sense of awareness toward the latest technological innovations.
My advice to people entering my decade as a learner is to embrace technology and make it work for your current needs as a learner.
Mary, ageism works in many ways. One is either "too young" or "too old." There is no perfect age of course. An example of ageism for me is buying a bottle of wine in the super market and having the clerk say in what he deems a humorous manner, "Are you old enough to buy this?" I also include what I call the "ma'am" people in ageism. Those who do not see one as a person. They just see the faceless middle-aged (or older) woman. I'm always trying to think of snappy comebacks, but it is difficult and not very fruitful. These are minor irritations and there are many serious forms of ageism. The best answer is to just live life productively and happily and let others worry about age.
Sha,
It seems to me that much of the developmental phase theory that we are learning back views life as a combination of looking back, looking at life now and looking forward, all at the same time. What impressed me immediately about your post is your ability to look backward and forward, which, in my experience, is more challenging for younger folks (I'm in my 50's). Valuing that face that learners have gone before you is a kind of wisdom that often does not come until later in life, and that speaks highly of your consciousness of where you stand in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure it will serve you (and others whose lives you touch) well.
-Dorothy G.
To all the 20-somethings,
Thanks for your candid posts. My strategy during my twenties was to let my knowledge and my performance wordlessly "answer" folks who questioned or demeaned my legitimacy in the workplace. Your commitment to your own education and to your work will see you through.
To the twenty-something women, as someone who has worked in other parts of the world, I can tell you this -- there is nowhere else in the world I would rather be a woman than in America. That is not to say that it does not have it's huge blindspots, injustices, over-the-top advertising objectification, etc, but (as some others have so eloquently stated, too) know that there are systems in place that you can access to advocate for you. I can't believe how long it took to get the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Law passed, but it did get passed. Together we have got to keep paving the way to a more equitable society for women and for all.
-Dorothy G.
It is important to know that age is just a number. On the other hand, be open-minded and allow yourself to learn form others.
Response to Shaw Spain ...
Learning through your experiences is something that I've enjoyed during my adult life began; especially as an adult learner. You learn so many theories and strategies while in school, but it's nothing like utilizing those theories/strategies to help you during your experiences in the real world.
To Mary Van Haneghan
You are exceptional and I bet you don't realize it yet. You've done so much and that's great. Your employer has given you three advancement opportunities. Fantastic. Most people my age (50-59) don't even get one opportunity.
Here's my thoughts for you: Use your youth as your sword and your shield. In other words, let people continue to think that you are young and have no experience. Just laugh (inwardly) at them and then take all the knowledge they want to impart and use it for your passions.
Your strength is in their dismissal of you. I understand what you mean, and as a college professor, I try to make all of my students feel that their opinions and thoughts and experiences are important, because I believe they are. The great teachers learn just as much from their students (of all ages) as their student learn from them.
Bottom line, "ignore" those people who try to make you feel small. You're not the small insignificant one, they are. Take comfort in the fact that there are people out there who will (and probably already do)celebrate you and your successes. If they don't, no matter--you celebrate yourself.
I wish you nothing but the best and great blessings as you progress through the ages.
Mary Ann
Hello Sha Spain,
I am in the 40-49 group and just want to let you know that stress comes in many forms at any age. While your stress may be starting a family, a new career, many responsibilities...etc. As a single parent, the stress of raising two African American males was certainly a challenge. I was fortunate to learn technology in my early twenties and continued to keep up with technology as it changed. This has given me a heads up because as I grew and learned many things that prepared me in my role today. Learning never stops at any age. It is new learning that helps us to conquer life's ever changing trends that keeps us and transcends us into the human beings we become. My advice to you will be to continue to work hard because it will certainly pay off one day.
The challenges of being a learner at your age
According to Levinson’s Developmental Periods, I am currently experiencing the phase of entering the adult world as I am twenty-six years old (Daloz, 1999). In my life I believe reality set in during my early childhood years. My mother was a paralegal and my father was a police officer. Both parents had very demanding jobs that left me being responsible for my two younger brothers. Blake is Down Syndrome and is now 25 years old living in a group home. Seth is 23 who is now in the Air Force working as an Intelligence agent. I guess I did well raising them! Since the second grade I was responsible for watching my brothers after school and during summer breaks, assisting with cooking, and cleaning. I have always had the “mother hen” role as this is all that I have known since a very young age. When I was in junior high my parents divorced and my mother got remarried. My step-dad kicked me out when I was 15 and when my younger brother was 13. My step-father was very jealous and could not handle the fact that my mother had children with another man. I have pretty much been on my own since I have been 15. I worked two jobs, attended high school full-time, and then upon graduation put myself through college. I believe unlike many developing adolescents, I entered the phase of entering the adult world at a very young age. I learned I had to take care of myself and work hard both at school and in the field of work to survive. I am now a mother of a beautiful 5 year old daughter, own my own home, work as a special educator, teach a college class two evenings a week, and am attending college full-time. The biggest challenge I faced when I was fifteen and now at the age of twenty-six is finding time to juggle everything in my life. I believe I am spread so thin not allowing enough time for each responsibility I have.
The joys of being a learner at your age:
The joys of being a learner at my age is that I am constantly learning. Being a mother and educator I learn life lessons on a daily basis that I cherish. I am rewarded daily by my daughter and students by the successes I have assisted them in attaining.
Your hopes for the next decade as a learner:
My only hopes for the next decade is to continue being a life long learner. I am not sure if I am going to continue my Doctoral journey but my goal is to continue the learning process. I plan to continue staying up-to-date on special education legislature along with new teaching strategies.
Your advice for people who are entering your decade as a learner:
I would suggest taking advantage of the technology that is offered in our society today. If it was not for technology I don’t believe I would have completed my Master’s degree or entered the Doctoral degree program at Walden University. My life is very busy being a single mother, full-time special educator, part-time college professor, and attending college full-time. If it was not for the aspect of technology I don’t believe I would have been this successful in my educational journey.
Daloz, L. (1999). Mentor: Guiding the Journey of Adult Learners. San Francisco: Jossey-Bass Publishers.
Response to Candace
I encourage you to continue your doctoral program. I know that at age 26 it must be really tough and on top of that being a single mother! I hand it to you!! I am 30 and I have a 5 year old and I'm married. I think if you have the will power to get started then you have it to finish! Keep up the good work.
1. The challenges of being a learner at your age?
That most people of my age (29) are trying to find full time jobs to be able to support their family and find time to spend time with their kids. Due to the struggling economy finding a stable job has become more important than finding a job, although a lot of people are going back to school.
2. The joys of being a learner at your age?
That I am still young and I don’t have kids and a wife taking away from my time to finish the doctoral program at Walden University, but I do have a royal python snake that needs my love and affection.
3. Your hopes for the next decade as a learner?
That best hope and plan that I have for 2019 is that I will have my doctorate done and be a working associate professor at a community college or university. Also, I hope that I have learned Spanish well so that I can go to my favorite spot in the world San Juan, Puerto Rico. I would love to be a college professor somewhere in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, or Cuba.
4. Your advice for people who are entering your decade as a learner
That they will have to do what they want to do as a career, because they are more likely to be successful at higher education than other motives such as money or family/friends influence.
There are a series of challenges and obstacles that I have had to endure as an adult learner at the age of 29. Although I may be one of the younger adults enrolled in such a program, there are outside factors that play a significant role in my pursuit of higher education. In addition to being a student, I serve in the capacity of husband, father, employee, mentor and servant. As I serve in these capacities, time management plays a major role. Balancing such tasks can easily prove to be overwhelming and at times appear to be unbearable. For instance during the day hours I am employed; therefore, those hours are dedicated to my employer, whereas, in the evenings my time is devoted to my family.
Despite the difficulty of time management, I enjoy being an adult learner. During my endeavor of pursuing a doctorate of education degree, I have grasped new concepts and theories related to adult education. A have developed a new formed respect for distance education and the principals that an online learner must adhere to. I thoroughly enjoy the flexibility that online programs provide. I feel that Walden has made learning convenient, effective and obtainable for people my age.
Within the next decade, I contemplate being employed at a community college in the capacity of administrator. My goal is to hold a position that allows me to evaluate and monitoring curriculum program to ensure they are complementary of the adult learner.
My advice to an individual that desires to pursue higher education is to create a time management system. Such a system would allow the individual to create a schedule with ample time to balance employment, extracurricular activities, religious, educational and personal obligations. This will enable them to ration time allotments equally so that none of the above mentioned obligations are affected in a negative manner.
At my age the challenges of being a learner are; trying to see if what we are studying is the career we want to embrace, trying to have fun and go to school, trying to find meaning in what we are doing, and looking for lasting friendships. For me it has been hard trying to balance school, work, fun, church, and relationships. Out of the five things I just mentioned something usually gets short-handed and I hate to say it but it is usually church and school. I believe that at this age many adults look at life as a time to have fun and enjoy, “I am young, I have my whole life to work” is the saying I usually hear. But in reality now is the time to work hard so that you can retire at a good age and be able to have fun. A lot of my friends are not in school and are living life to the fullest, which I sometimes get pulled into. Then I have to remind myself that I am in school and don’t have a permanent job so I need to focus and stay on track.
The joys of being a learner at my age are that I have the opportunity to change my career goals and still be headed down the right track. I can use the wisdom and knowledge from people older than me to help guide me in the right direction. Another thing about being a learner at my age is that you are not stuck in your ways and have the ability to adapt to change better. At this point in my life I am constantly learning new things and can use them to aid in my success and future plans.
For the next decade I plan to have new ways of learning and society to be changed in some form or fashion that has not been explored yet. For the next decade I hope to be ahead of the bell curve for my age group. I want to be able to still have an open mind and give different perspectives a chance to aid in my learning process.
The only thing in life that is constant is change and you have to be ready for anything that comes your way. Each decade of learners have their own unique way of doing things so no way is the right or wrong way. My advice to upcoming learners is to always be yourself and put your best foot forward.
Hi Alkia, great posting, one comment for you that came to mind reading your posting, realize that people older than you may seem like they are not doing as much as you are. There is a good chance that if you look at what they have done they were very much like you when they were younger. I have met some people that seem very defeated by life and others that want you to take the torch and run with it. If you are told that you cannot change something and you think you can I say go for it!
Rob
Response to Alkia:
You noted that one of your challenges was trying to see if what you're studying is really the career you want to embrace. I think that's a great statement! To be honest, I am 38, and I still struggle with that same thing. Although I feel more confident about my choice to be in the Ed.D. program, I guess I still wonder what other opportunities there could be.
Response to Alkia Fountain:
Dear Alkia,
I enjoyed reading your post and find it quite interesting that we share many types of aspirations in life. I have taken account many suggestions myself to listen to others who with their wisdom and experience have offered me many course directions to take with different types of jobs. I think if I had not encountered such good trustworthy friends, my life may have been quite different today. I have to agree with you that other friends we encounter along the way may in an unusual situation act as a guiding light towards finding our true endeavors.
Thanks again for sharing your blog this week.
Respectfully,
David
Response to Anthony Thomas:
My age group is very close to your age group. I am 34 years old. Some of your challenges are the same as mine. Some people feel that people in their 20s are just beginning in life but really this age group is just as important as any other age group.
In this age group, there is a great deal of anxiety about what the future will hold: is this the right career, I need to focus on my family, I need to find a career ladder or a future job. Pretty much like the older age groups in which we are trying also to find what else to do with and how to further our careers and make our lives better and to leave a legacy so to speak.
This is a trying time, with the poor economy and the tightening of the money pockets I understand the anxiety. However, the future still looks bright. Learning will never end.
Response to Alkia:
I am in your course this semester and saw myself in your post. I too was more focused than my friends on a career than the social life. Not to say that I did not attend a few parties in my twenties just to say I also had to put fun on the back burner more than I wanted to. Looking back now I would not be where I am today if I would have attended a few more parties. However, in my early thirties I do miss the freedom and not having to be the responsible party. Continue to live and focus on your goals. However do not work too hard that you forget to live.
Katie Peppers(30-39)
This post is for Sha Spain.
Hi Sha,
I am from the 50-59 year group and found that regardless of age, stress is common and comes from diffent life situations. It is important that stress be managed so that you remain healthy while balancing your responsibilities that will come with beginning a new career and starting a family of your own. I can truly say that you are entering an exciting new developmental stage, one in which you will experience many happy times. However, there will be times that you will face the fear of the unknown but you can overcome them by being prepared to study and work hard. Remember that all things worth having are worth working hard to achieve.
Learning can be a joyous experience at any age if you choose to make it that way. At my age technology poses a challenge for me because I am not as skilled as I should be and that is my fault. I was fearful of technology and procrastinated about taking classes to enhance my ability to use technology for learning and instruction. As a consequence, I have to learn how to use technology to instrument online learning. Much time is used in learning the technology piece which causes less time for the content. Thank godness, because of my past educational training and experiences, I am familiar with the content and less time used for study does not compromise the educational quality of the course. You definitely have the advantage with being skilled in technology.
You, being a person with great inspiration for success and accomplishment, will achieve your educational goals within the next decade. But I can tell you that it is likely that you will not be done with school. Even though the educational goals you have set now will be achieved, you will find other learning opportunities to pursue. You will discover that life and learning is a process that continues on for as long as one is alive. I tell you these things not to discourage you but as encouragement to strive to be a life-long learner.
Learning is fun and keeps the world turning. Best wishes to you on your journey.
Hi Alkia,
I am from the 50-59 years old group.
Having to balance the every day routines of life while working on your doctoral degree can be challenging for anyone at any age. Being young and wanting to be a part of a social circle can also be a great challenge, especially when you have friends who may not have the same priorities as you do or at least not be on the same timeline for completing them. You have set your goals and set your timeline to accomplish them and right now you are making sacrifices for what you feel is important. If there comes a time when a friend invites you out for the evening and you can’t go because you have to study for a test or complete an assignment, don’t feel bad, think about what the outcome will be when it is all over. By working to achieve your dreams now, will put you ahead of your friends who are waiting to later in life to do what you are doing now. While they are working to find a career and searching to establish a family, you will already be at that point in your life where you have established a career, built a family, and are enjoying a good life that comes with a strong financial foundation. You will be ahead of your friends because you have put what you believed is most important to you and your future first.
You stated in your post that a lot of your friends were not working and enjoying life to the fullest. I ask you to consider this, what is “life to the fullest”? Also consider what is “quality of life”? After you think about what I have asked you to ponder, reflect on what you are you doing now and if it is what you know will prepare you for the kind of life you want have, as you grow older?
My advice is for you to pursue your dreams and aspirations. Church, family, friends, love, fun, and laughter must be balanced to make life happy and healthy. Do not let anyone or anything pull you into what might seem like glitter but in reality is actually dust when seen from a different view.
You have a great life a head of you. Best wishes on your journey!
Response to Candace
You have a wealth of experience that many have not faced in their twenties. Finish your degree as the next decade is right around the corner. It goes fast.
Response to Alkia Fountain:
Knowing that you are just in the beginning of your career is great. You mentioned that you still have the opportunity to change careers. I am in the 30-39 age group and I feel I am in the position that I can change a career if I know it will be the right step. It seems that I would need to research the opportunity a little further since a trial time would not be good for my age group as it may be for your age group.
Response to Candace,
Candace, my first thought after reading your post was, "wow!" You are an inspiration. I was curious to read blog posts from students who are in their 20's, mainly to compare my mentality from when I was in my 20's to now (in my 30's). I was surprised at the maturity that this group has. One thing I want you to know is you have time on your side. You do not have to race to earn your doctoral degree. Before you decide not to continue with pursuing this degree, take some time off if you have to, and come back to the program, but don't give up. You have proven your ability to overcome many struggles in life. Use this strength to your advantage!
Response to CStowers,
I love your positive outlook on life and this doctoral journey. I think your attitude is something that students in my age group (30-39)and beyond can learn from. Yes, it is important to remain focused on our goals, but we should implement a little flexibility in our lives and try not to take ourselves so seriously. Enjoyed reading your post!
Response to Alkia,
I am 31 and I too have the struggle of balancing school into all the other things that my life entails. Sometimes my husband doesn't thinks that I am not doing very well with the balance and sometimes my children remind me indirectly that I am not balancing well. I agree with you that church and school usually rank pretty low when I am overwhelmed. My family tries to reassure me that I am doing pretty good but for some reason, I always feel the opposite. Keep your head up and know that the next decade may bring some of the same challenges just don't give up and keep it moving.
Your sister from the next decade!
To Alkia I can relate with you in regards to the current challenges you are faced with right now besides the working part. But one thing I will say is that I always tell my sons I wouldn't change NOTHING about my college years. I think the saying you only live once applies here. Now I did lose my financail aid my first year from partying to hard. And it was the next two semesters I had to pay out of pocket that kicked me into high gear. After that I was on the Dean's list for the next two years. So you will have to put some focus what you want. But enjoy it along the way.
The challenege of being a learner in the 20-29 age group is that you have to be able to balance a career, school and have time for yourself. Time management is a major challenge to the learner of this age group.
The joys of being a learner in my age group is that the technology that is being used has made it easier to balance a work and social life. You are able to jump start your career and also gain advanced degrees because of the technology that is being provided.
During the next decade I hope to be working on post doctoral research so that I will be able to provide more educational oppurtunities for minorities. I want to take my experience that I gained and provide them with the neccesary tools that it takes to be succesful. I also hope that the next generation continue to make strides in education just like the previous generation was able to do.
The advice that I will give to the anyone who enters my generation is to keep taking steps to acheive your goals. Always be willing to look and learn from the mistakes of others and be an agent of change.
Hi Mary,
I read your blog post and was impressed with your personal accomplishments so far. Your life experiences follow what Merriam, Caffarella, and Baumgartner (2007) suggested that the quality of experiences could not be measured by the person’s age. The quality of experiences makes you a stronger person and guides you to the next stage of your life. At times people may judge a person based on appearances; in your case your age as you mentioned accelerates such judgments.
Robyn,
I am now in my early 30s, but never felt when I first began my career that my age was an issue. It sounds to me like you showed you were capable and gained some valuable experience as a younger person in the workplace. I believe experience in a career is invaluable, but work ethic and desire are just as important.
I am a 29 year old mother,wife, teacher, and the list goes on and on. The challenge of being a learner at my age is handling the stress of maintaining a my home and family, and work while trying to grow professional.
The joy of being a learner at my age is that I am learning in an age where technology has allowed me to be able to access information in a format that is compatible for my lifestyle.
During the next decade I hope to continue to learn new things and reflect on what I have learned.I hope to apply what I have learned in the educating of adults.
Because of the availability of technology and the globalization of education, civilization, and trade, learners today have a greater chance of fully understanding how we learner and how learning effects our society.
Anthony,
I empathize with you because I am in the same situation as well. How do you manage these multiple roles?
There are many challenges to being an adult learner regardless of age. I am in my late 20's. I am married and do not have any children. I work a full-time job as a nursing instructor at a community college. I am also an Army Nurse for the Army Reserve Nurse Corp. I enjoy spending time with my family and friends. I am a student in my second semester of doctoral work. I volunteer with Big Brothers Big Sisters and community soup kitchens. I keep very busy all the time. Time is the biggest challenge for me. I like to be involved in everything. I am not as computer savy as I would like to be. Time and technology are the biggest challenges for me.
I enjoy being a learner. We live in an ever-changing world. I am a life-long learner. I enjoy challenges and new opportunities. Developing knowledge and abilities is an important requirement for healthcare workers. Utilizing educational opportunites has been beneficial for me in my personal and professional life.
I hope that the next decade of students take advantage of any opportunity to attend college and choose careers of their interest.
Learners who are entering college in their 20's should focus on time management. Staying focused and keeping a positive attitude are essential.
Hi Shelley,
It seems to me, with your busy community work, that you are trying to find your niche. It seems you love to learn, not only from the standard academics, but it seems you attain most of your learning from building relationships with others.
I am now 35 and when I was in my early twenties, despite family turmoil, I was doing the same thing in an effort to find what I really wanted, as well as, what I wnated to learn from others thoughts, behaviors and perspectives.
I want to give you a piece from Daloz (1999):
Our lives move thythmically back and forth through periods of building, breaking, building, breaking and building again. The building period of the twenties ends with the midcourse correction that Gail Sheehy called
"Catch 30." It's a time when we ask, "Is this really what I want?" Sometimes we discover that when we thought we were asking the same question years before, we were actually asking, "What should I be doing?" In effect, we grow more serious about our lives, hearing an inner voice that urges us to make our commintments, "for soon it will be too late to turn back." (p. 55)
I am sure you are already in this period of you life as you are entering your thirties. The same happened to me. Now, at 35, I've toned down everything and anything. I live for work and school...pretty much just for me...I am at a point that I don't even try to make sense of things around me like I use to. I can care less. Due to what I've experienced and seen, I realized that life is really short; hence, I am going to concentrate on making what I really want prevail, whether others like it or not.
It seems to me that you are almost headed into this path. Being a nurse does not let you see to many pretty human events...of course, it has its beauty, as well. But because you are in the military and serve humanity....pretty soon these questions will loom with a huge beam of light and many things that you are doing now will definetely change.
Congratulations on your will and strength of your career....I could never do what you do.
Amy
Response to CShack
I am 41 years old and as I look back I am trying to remember how I was in your age group and how I have changed now. I remember like you trying to make my mark in the world and feel accepted. I can assure you, work to make your mark now and your mark will be working for you later on. You have the advantage of being brought up in a very technological age and are very comfortable with that aspect of life while those 30 years or more your senior are struggling with that.
The biggest advantage you have now at your age(I sound old saying that) is you have time on your side. I say go for it and you will be the master much younger than I ever will. Your advice to your peers is similar to what I would give. Do things incrementally , do not put things off as you will never get them done and know you need to take breaks once in a while.
Inez Cutter,
I enjoyed reading your post. I am in the 50-59 age group, but reading your post reminded me of where I was at in my twenties, except for pursuit of the Ed.D. I was department chair, completed a masters, took even more graduate courses, and became involved with state education department work. I know you are well aware of this, but I strongly encourage you to take time out on a regular basis for family and friends. Sometimes it is so easy to put them off “until tomorrow”. Or tell yourself "next time I will go". I wish I had prioritized my time, or cut back a little, to achieve better balance. With that said, I want to commend you on your dedication and perseverance, and wish you the very best!
Donna M.
Hi Danny,
I had to laugh while reading your post about attempting to paint the ceiling while the baby was sleeping between homework assignments! Sometimes I wonder what age is more difficult to tackle a degree? I was home with my own boys until they began school themselves and then I began my educational journey. At this point, trying to accomplish a degree with a baby seems so overwhelming! Good for you for making it work!
5.1
• The challenges of being a learner at your age
One of my main challenges is being a wife and mother. With all the responsibilities I feel it can be overwhelming and stressful at times. I have to ensure that all stay well. Often times I cannot even ensure that my body is well and functioning. For example, this class I am so stressed out and just cannot stay well to save my life. I feel alright for maybe 3 hours and sick the rest. I feel as though nothing gets turned in on time and I shut down at the most detrimental times. I know that it is just stress, but at my age in the fast lane, stress is one of the most prevalent challenges.
• The joys of being a learner at your age
I am at the primal age of learning from my peers and experience. Being young allows me to soak up so much and I also have the opportunity to share it to a younger audience. Meaning, the knowledge I obtain can be shared with an intense amount of passion to younger students and it can make sense because they relate to me more than an older person.
Also, being young means that I can experience more. Starting earlier than the average student places me in a stronger position for an enriching transformation due to the fact that I am still developing and not as set in my ways. Most important, 25 is equivalent to 16 so I am just learning to drive this car of learning and I plan on traveling until the wheels come off.
• Your hopes for the next decade as a learner
My hopes for the next decade are that I will understand my learning abilities. I also want to understand who I am in relation to the world. Meaning making of my environment is essential and I want my learning not only to influence me but the world as a whole.
As a learner I also expect to learn how to be a better teacher. The teaching and learning process are one in the same. Understanding how to learn and what motivates people paints a better picture for our curriculum and makes it relevant for learners. As a result, I want to use my experience as a learner to transform my classroom experience as a teacher---which is why I learn all that I can.
• Your advice for people who are entering your decade as a learner.
Remain motivated. Do not let others discourage you because of your age. Younger does not me less qualified, but instead it means less experienced. Adult learners have a breadth of experiences, the key is for us as young learners to enrich what we have (even if it is little) and extend them into others.
Humility. We must remain humble and take in all the knowledge others can give. We are the future generation. In order for us to better equip the future we must give reverence to the past. Therefore, my advice is to remain motivated, enrich your experiences, and remain humble---the true recipe for success.
Hi Sha
Yes I believe no matter what decade you are in we all have this challenge. Even though its seems that the older decades would be much more stable and able to balance these responsibilities, but not with economy. I am glad to see you going straight through from undergrade to your masters and now to your doctorate. I wish I would had done the same thing.
I think this is a great time for learning. I wish I had continued my education at this time period instead of taking time off. Keep working hard and persuing your career. I am an older learner and the challenges of work and family can be tremendous. I will take your advice and challenge myself to work through "one of the toughest challenged of our lives".
Betty at 40ish
To arRHOgance212- I can really appreciate your stress and it's effect on your health and well-being. I hope that you can find balance that will fulfill your obligations as a caregiver to your family as well as your work and school obligations. I remember how overwhelming it was to have small children while trying to address other responsibilities. It might help to try to break down your responsibilities into smaller tasks- it might be less overwhelming. Thank you for being a role model to the next generation, and your dedication to improving our world. -Sallie
The challenges of being an adult learner at my age is the fact that life sometimes seems to get in the way. While I'm sure this is a struggle amongst the majority of age groups, the responsibilities of a career, starting a family, and social committments can all become overwhelming.
The joys of being a learner at this age is the fact that I believe I possess more technology skills than maybe an older learner.
When considering the learning process ten years from now, I hope to have accomplished my Ed.D, be teaching, and finished with having children.
Lastly, my advice for people entering my decade as a learner is to utilize your current skill-set to your advantage. Also, listen to those who have gone before you as they know what to expect.
Response to Mary:
Mary, I appreciate your candor in discussing your frustration with the challenges of often not being taken seriously by your professors because of your being in the 20's. Being a 47 year old educator of predominantly young women in their early to mid-20s entering into the profession of nutrition and dietetics, I appreciate your insights. I will take your comments as instructive although I believe that I try not to condescend or demean my students when listening to their comments or perspectives. I think that often educators who are 20 - 30 years older than their students may have a sense of "been there, done that", and may not take the time to truly empathize with and relate to the student as an individual with different circumstances.
Another point that I would like to make is that there are vast generational differences in communication, work ethic or values and in comfort with technology among individuals. For example, I am clearly a "boomer", while then we have Generation X, Generation Y, and then the Millenials, so I am less comfortable with some aspects of technology than are my students and my own children, which are between 14 and 20. So, one of the goals that I work towards and educate my students on is recognizing and valuing the differences among the generations so that we can all work towards improved interpersonal interactions with people within a variety of age groups.
You certainly have experienced quite a lot and deserve the respect and validation from educators 20 and 30 years your senior.
Ana Abad-Jorge
Response to Danny:
I can certainly appreciate the challenges you mentioned, and as a 47 year old woman, I share the same challenges with regard to the complexities of balancing the "demands" of modern life as very comprehensively reviewed by Kegan (1994), which include being a spouse, parent, worker/educator and student. You are balancing a marriage, a baby daughter, your career and your role as a student returning to higher education, while very similarly, I am balancing the same things but with the added level of complexity of a second marriage, a blended family with four teenagers, a career as a clinician and health care educator, and now a student in Walden's Ed.D. program. So, time management appears to be a recurrent theme of challenge and stress for many of us, regardless of age, whether in our 20's, 30's or 40's. The extent and nature of the challenge depends on our life's circumstances and personal choices.
I applaud you for taking it on and continuing to grow in your skills to balance all of your pursuits and responsibilities. Through this process of education, as you gain skills and knowledge on adult learning theories, you are also undoubtedly experiencing personal development as you navigate through the phases of your life and enter the 30's transition of early adulthood. You are certainly fortunate to be immersed in this learning experience which is providing you with some key tools to help you navigate your journey more smoothly than those of us, who perhaps did not have these higher education resources at that challenging time in our life.
Thanks again for sharing your challenges and joys. They certainly made me realize the commonality among us in the different age groups rather than the differences.
Ana Abad-Jorge (40 - 49 age group)
Reference:
Kegan, R. (1994). In over our heads: The mental demands of modern life. Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Press
To Kate Louton,
Hello, I'm Betsy, age 40.
I enjoyed reading your blog. I could really relate to your determination and diligence!!
I believe that both young and older can learn from each other. Yes, I have the experience but you understand technology. While I was educated during a time of lectures, I love to see powerpoints. Just learned to text around a year ago and Love that too. I think technology really helps educators meet the needs of the different learning modalities.
While I am sure teaching students older than you presents challenges, you seem extremely mature for your age. When I started teaching in Early Childhood, I was younger than most of the students' parents.
In regards to your thoughts about children, I hate to give you this news. As they age, they still need (and desire) constant attention. It just becomes mental rather than physical. The feelings of guilt (for the mother) remain a constant. Maybe even a little worse as you realize they are getting older and time is passing by. I am glad you started your Doctorate while they were young. Mine are 6 and 9. I feel really bad for working on this degree while they are playing but your last words provide encouragement for me. "Life is going to continue to roll by, so I opt to use every spare moment to improve my life".
Take Care and Best Wishes,
Betsy DuBose
Response to Arhrogance
I enjoyed reading your post. I do not handle stress well at all and I am 34. I give you a hand for starting your doctorate degree so young. I could never have done that. When I get stressed out over this course work I turn it off for a few minutes, take a drink, go for a walk, and then come back to it. Sometime I stare at the computer screen and think, there HAS to be something here I understand!! Don't be afraid to take those breaks. It may mean some late nights and some more challenges but we can do this. Find that one thing that keeps you focused and you will be so surprised how far it will take you.
Response to Shelly:
Yes shelly I agree that computer skills need to be worked on. It is interesting to note that just when we think we are doing OK with technology 10 new things come up that we need to learn. I guess that is the joy of online learning.
What is really interesting and scary is DR. Dede's DVD presentation on the future of technology and learning. I am afradid that we will get lost in a "virtual world" and not be able to come back!!!!
Response to T.BennettMichael
Keep striving for your goals. You do not find many young adults with strength to continue pursuing their dreams. I was in your shoes, and at the time that I started to continue my education, I was very active socially; working and going to school full time. I sacrificed and completed my goals. My advice would be even when it looks like it will be to much; keep going because eventually it will become easier.
As a learner in my age group, my immediate challenge will be trying to juggle the role of mother, wife, and student. While I enjoy and take pride in the learning process, it seemed much easier when I was only responsible for my own well being and happiness.
On the other hand,I have experienced great joys as a learner in this age group. I am young enough to be familiar with the advances in technology and usually more receptive to try new things.
During the next decade of my learning career, I plan to pursue my dream of opening my own family learning center. Hopefully, I will be able to impart wisdom and to those that I come in contact with.
Persons who are entering my era as an adult learner, should be eager to learn new things and receptive to innovative techniques. There is an abundance of information available to adult learners, and I am sure that they may benefit from it.
As a learner in my age group, my immediate challenge will be trying to juggle the role of mother, wife, and student. While I enjoy and take pride in the learning process, it seemed much easier when I was only responsible for my own well being and happiness.
On the other hand,I have experienced great joys as a learner in this age group. I am young enough to be familiar with the advances in technology and usually more receptive to try new things.
During the next decade of my learning career, I plan to pursue my dream of opening my own family learning center. Hopefully, I will be able to impart wisdom and to those that I come in contact with.
Persons who are entering my era as an adult learner, should be eager to learn new things and receptive to innovative techniques. There is an abundance of information available to adult learners, and I am sure that they may benefit from it.
Reply to BennettMichael
Reading your post made me travel back on time. As a person from the group age 50-59, I admire your commitment to consider earning your doctorate in a prime time of your life when other priorities can demand excessive time and resources. I did the contrary thus now; I expect to have completed my doctorate within the next five years when I will be planning my retirement.
In fact, I am enjoying life more than ever and consider that this is a perfect time to study. Fortunately, technology has never been a challenge for me but my career as a higher education administrator is really demanding, yet it is very fulfilling. Then it comes the fact that being an adjunct instructor not only rewards my passion for teaching but helps out my wallet to continue paving my golden years.
I truly appreciate your advice for people in your group. There you demonstrate a genuine respect for your elders. Mentorship is also about the transmission of knowledge gained through education and experiences to younger generations; therefore, I greatly enjoy learning many things from my mentees about music, technology, politics, and their attitudes toward life and their eagerness to conquer the world.
Your contribution to the post was a refreshing note.
Best of lucks!
Luis Manuel Rodriguez.
I am 28 years of age and I will turn 29 in February but I feel like I am already there. I guess at my age most people are married and have a family or is starting a family. As a learner at my age I do have a lot of pressure to complete my classes, maintain a stable relationship, do a job at my current job, workout more because I am getting older, and soon I will be getting married and starting a family and the pressures increase. I am also involved in a community organization and serve on the board so it just goes on and on and on.
I do take please in completing my studies now because I don’t have any children, however if I did have children I hope that the majority of my studies will be complete. I think that because I am not married and only work one job that now is the optimal time to complete it. However, with every degree it gets more and more difficult to focus on my studies.
I simply hope I will be able to complete my studies and that my other responsibilities will not get in the way of my completing that. Some things will need to be put on hold such as having children.
I would advise people my age entering the learning field to know a lot about computers and stay updated. It would be wise to invest in a computer course every 5-7 years. The last course I took was in 1999 and I feel outdated. Also, find a way to stay in a circle of professionals to keep yourself active and aware in your field. Good luck.
This is to respond to shannah.respass. I could not agree with you more about keeping up with technology. I would recommend yearly (give or take 6 months) learning of technology since it changes so quickly. I also feel behind in what I should know. When I take new courses, I feel empowered and more connected with the world. I always find a way to use this new knowledge in the classroom. There is so much to learn out there. We need to decide what will be useful and what may be a fad.
Hi Sha Spain,
I envy that you can enjoy a comfort level with technology! And I can so see your enthusiasm as you see your life ahead of you and your ability to make a lasting impact. I hope that all of your experiences go well-as it is very true, much learning comes through experience! Take care, Sharon Burk
Hello Mary,
I can certainly appreciate your comments about being pre-judged according to your age. It is unfortunate that you have had comments or feelings of negativity. However, do you feel you are the exception to the rule? I do not know many young adults who have had the accomplishments you have had.
Your advice was intersting in that you spoke to advancements where I looked at security. It's not uncommon for my age 40+ to be less risk takers and more careful about change.
Thanks for sharing and best wishes!
Hello Twenty somethings!
This is a comment from a thrity something. I can share an empathy with you in a the trend I see called "infantize." It means when your ideas are disregarded because of your youthful look. Though I'll be 35 next month, I could pass for 25 easily. I have been mistaken as an undergraduate in my graduate courses, I have been mistaken as a student in the college classes I teach. I know your pain. My advice is to continue to be fully knowlegeable. Once people understand that you know what you're talking about, the misjudgements are quickly erased.
During my experiences throughout the online learning process I thoroughly enjoyed my overall learning experience. Although I enjoyed this process I experienced a number of challenges. The first challenge I have faced is the lack of face-to-face interaction with my instructors and classmates. Although my instructors answered all of my questions as quick as the internet would allow them, it is not the same as holding a conversation to ensure I fully understand what is required of me. Also some of the best explanations come from face-to-face interaction with your classmates. Also being a learner at my age poses the challenge of trying to schedule extra-curricular activities around my studies. I am at the prime of my life and sometimes find it difficult to juggle work and play. Also at this exact moment of my life I am in the process of getting married. As a lot of individuals know, planning a wedding requires a lot of time and marriage requires more time. I find myself up late nights trying to complete homework assignments and wedding plans.
The joys of being a learner at my age includes having the energy to stay up late nights to complete these assignments, understanding modern technology, and on a personal note, not having children as a distraction. I feel that I am in the middle of the age barrier which provides me with the energy to work eight hours a day, complete my household chores, and study for two to four hours a night. Although I am not as young as I use to be, I try to maintain a healthy lifestyle eating and drinking things that keeps my energy level up until it’s time to sleep. I also feel that adults in my age group evolve with technology. When something new is introduced in the technological world, we are ready, willing, and a little excited to see what it is about. In having children to care for is a fulltime job in itself. Personally I don’t have any children which make it easier for me to focus on my studies.
My hope for the next decade as a learner is for more technological opportunities to be granted to adult learners. More satellite classes and locations should be made available for those of use attending online institutions. This will provide us with the opportunity to not only hear and see who we’re talking to, but to establish a virtual relationship with them. This will also prevent the awkward feeling on graduation day in not knowing who you are sitting beside.
My advice for those entering my decade as a learner is to practice good time management now and make sure this is something you really want to do. In obtaining any degree online it is very demanding requiring extensive reading and research. You must fully depend on your reading and comprehension skills to complete assignments. If you do not like to read, the online learning environment may be very challenging for you. Also there may be time when you get frustrated, discouraged, or just downright tired causing you to think about quitting. During these situations, you must encourage and push yourself forward until your ultimate goal is met.
Argyle,
Your post took me down "memory lane." Sometimes I wish I had gone to college after high school. It may have been more manageable with some of the responsibilities that you mentioned absent and with a lot more energy than I have now. All in all I don't know that I would have appreciated the opportunity then as you obviously do now.
When you said "I also feel that adults in my age group evolve with technology" I thought absolutely. Then I thought I may not have the technology skills that I have now if I would have gone to college in the 70s.
There are many common themes among all groups-time management to name the most cited. I guess the most important aspect is that everyone is striving to learn.
To: shannah.respass
From: Chris Johnson
Congrats on your upcomming wedding. Lots of new experiences heading your way and I wish you every good grace to live them well. The balancing/juggling act will continue into your 30's and 40's and beyond, I imagine (I'm only 46 so I can't see beyond that). I guess you just change the things you have to keep up in the air.
I am completely with you in regards to the need to keep up with technology. Just yesterday I experienced a Livemeeting program for the first time (audio, video and screen sharing). It is awesome!! and it's probably rudimentary compared to what is to come. Jus imagining our future interconnectedness via technology is a fascinating exercise for me.
Good luck with everything Shannah.
Chris
Argyle,
You wrote about several points I never even thought of! When I was in my early 20’s I was in nursing school. Although very rigid, we did party! We also did several all night studying. I forgot about those days when my body was able to endure such hardships.
Being 56 years old now, I cannot do that! I am in bed early and can’t think past 10:00pm. I also eat right and swim daily. Your technology skills are envied by a number of us in my age group. I laughed out loud when you wrote you were actually excited about new technology. I am getting there, but sometimes would rather have a colonoscopy than learn new software!
I can’t even think of planning a wedding! Good luck to you. I hope you are marrying a supportive husband to assist you with your future goals. Teri Sullivan
Argyle,
First, CONGRATULATIONS!
Second, I agrees with your statements about having more energy in my 20's. I am only 31 so I want to put this in perspective. I took 18-21 credit hours every semester so that I completed my BA in 3 1/2 years, while working 20hrs a week work study, and 40hrs a week elsewhere. I maintained a 3.5GPA, and I was satisfied with my social life. I went straight to graduate school, and began teaching full time also.I graduated with a 4.0 from graduate school in 1 1/2 years. I was 26 when I got married, 28 when I had my daughter. Now, I have to be the first one up and the last one to bed to stay on top of things. If it were not for coffee and Mt. Dew, I would not have a drop of energy. There must be a fountain of youth that runs until 11:59pm the day before your 30th birthday. So get married, have children, enjoy life, but do not turn 30 =)
Best of luck in your studies!
Michelle Kelley
Response to Shanna from Veta
Shanna,
First I want to also congratulate you on your upcomming marriage and I wish you every happiness. There will always be challenges, but you will see that as you become older, you will meet those challenges easier. I can say this from experience as I am 61. I agree that as technology advances we need to stay abreast of all the new applications. I am lucky as I have access to classes at my hospital.
I have taken part in several webinars and live active meetings, it looks like this may be the way of the future.
Vera
I would say the biggest challenge for being a learner in my age group is that those in an older group assume you don't know enough. This becomes a problem in peer sharing and evaluations. The need to have to prove yourself to be a worthy peer.
I enjoy learning at this stage because it is welcomed and supported. I do not have many of the life stressors that those in older age groups may have to deal with.
I really cannot say what I hope will happen in the next decade as I am trying to focus on moving beyond this month. I hope that instructors will reflect learners from my age group.
Anyone learning at my age group should not be intimidated by the process. Focus on your goals and continue to move forward.
Many of the comments regarding how people view the 20-29 age group can be spanned across several other age groups. I am in the 50-59 group and while we are not normally "infantized", we are often treated as if we do not know anything. I began typing on a manual typewriter and now am working on a laptop using a network that I set up. Technology has developed so quickly and thankfully I have been fortunate enough to be able o keep up and fully embrace these technological advances. All of the age groups appear to be enthusiastic learners and that is what brings everyone together.
Luann
Response to Cshack:
I think you hit the nail on the head, which is an area that I tend to forget. Making time for ourselves is extremely important. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in our lives that we forget to LIVE!
The technology today is definitely helpful in allowing us to seek degrees much more effectively in half the time. No more running to the library last minute. We have the library at our fingertips within our own home. No more going to the university to type it up in the computer labs. The majority of homes throughout America have computers. No more getting in the car to go study with classmates. Here we are blogging and discussing issues from our class, in addition to email, text via phone, and discussion boards! Students today have no idea how lucky they are. Being that I am 39 and went to school prior to computers being in every home, the craze of technology is more so appreciated by those who know what it was like without it!
In response to Logan
I understand your comment about older people thinking you do not know much do to be younger than they are. My question would be when are we considered old enough? I am almost forty years young and I get the same attitude in the work world. I would hope that we as doctoral level students would judge our colleagues only by the evidence that is presented and the soundness of our arguments, and ideas, not by any demographic characteristics that are beyond our control like age.
Keep up the good fight!
To anyone who challenges AGE versus KNOWLEDGE, I pose this question.
Would you rather have a 29 year old Doctor perform open heart surgery on you? Or, would you rather have a 62 year old Doctor perform surgery on you? Now for the important part, the 29 year old Doctor graduated with honors and has performed 1200 open heart surgeries, with one malpractice lawsuit. The 62 year old Doctor graduated, well 35 years ago without honors and has performed 340 open heart surgeries with one malpractice lawsuit.
When is the last time you questioned or even inquired about your medical doctors credentials? If never, why not? Have you asked your own doctor (surgeon)how many surgeries they performed prior to them operating?
To all of you young people. When you finish your program you will have the world at your feet. Your choices will be endless. One of my instructors told me that aa degree gives you more choices. All of you will be blessed in that your choices will be endless. Enjoy your careers and be blessed that you had the courage to see your program through in spite of life's challenges.
missA.
This age group brought out the only downfall of online education, that is the lack of face to face communication. One of the things I loved most about school was being able to meet new people in person and learn from them, although we all still learn from eachother, part of me misses that interaction.
Hello Sha,
I think that you are absolutely correct that if you stay on this track, you will enjoy the fruits of yuour labor. I am on this same track with my EDd and boy! it is hard. What I would say to you is keep up the good work and keep smiling, there is a brighter side somewhere.
Essey
Sha, I agree with you. The challenge of being a learner today for me is the start of a new family and life. Right now I am in the process of getting married (30 days to go). This includes lots of planning’s and kids to think about. Having to deal with all this responsibility plus school and work is stressful. I still want to enjoy life and go out in the mean time, however I have no time for this anymore.
Being technology savvy at my age has been an advantage at my age as well. I enjoyed reading your post and feel I can relate to you a lot as a young learner.
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